Showing posts with label Bet trader pro. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bet trader pro. Show all posts

Tuesday, 11 September 2007

Testing My Strategy

Whilst trading on the horses the other day, I managed to get caught out a couple of times by a change in price move. I was trading using the ladder interface in Bet Trader pro, but my laptop had been playing up and I couldn't see the graphs very well (and I don't find them very clear anyway), so I think I missed seeing the momentum change (or perhaps there was no signal of a change, although I was trading using the momentum of the prices matching). As I am revising my eBook about trading software and bots, I have decided to add in some graphing examples and started building them. My primary goal is to be able to see the equivalent of bollinger bands (price envelopes - kind of like in Bet Angel Pro) and also some kind of momentum indicators. I've been talking about graphing applications for a while but now is the first time I've got to really get on with it. I'll include any code in the eBook and will make the executable available, if anyone wants to play with it (it won't be a battle hardened application like Bet Trader Pro or Bet Angel Pro mind!) but might be useful to run alongside. I just want to know if I am missing any signals or whether my strategy is flawed. I'm hoping that there are signals that I'm not seeing yet otherwise it's back to the drawing board.

Friday, 31 August 2007

Free video about trading on horse racing

If you are interested in trading on horse racing and want a good introduction to:

  • The mechanics of trading

  • Weight of money trading

  • Trend following

Or more advanced topics, such as:

  • Contrary trading

  • Trading against the money

Adam from the Racing Traders web site has put together a free video. See it at: How to trade on Betfair

Wednesday, 15 August 2007

Racing, risk and the in-play

I want to talk a little bit about risk. I'm going to go off track a bit first, but remind me and I'll get back to the point again.
So, I trade the horse racing market and during the week, sometimes the earliest I can get in front of my computer can be 8pm, which means I may only get the tail end of the racing. First a question to you knowledgable traders and punters out there, when winters comes and the racing stops earlier, what is a good market to trade? The USA racing is pretty illiquid which is really annoying, although sometimes you can get a good race, but the sums of money floating around are usually very small till around 2 minutes out. Also, the US race market may suspend earlier or later than expected. So any advice on a good alternative evening market would be much appreciated.

Last night I opened up Bet Trader Pro, which as good as Bet Angel Pro is, I seem to be using more. I found a race and had a look around, as I normally do. I saw a price that I thought would rise for a couple of minutes (it was about 12 minutes before the off) and put on a lay. I watched the price go up a tick and relaxed a bit, knowing I could release my "get-out-of-trade-now" trigger finger which was hovering over the mouse. I'm watching the prices then and nothing seemed to be happening. I looked at the countdown clock (something I really like, even though it is not always an accurate indicator, if it isn't there then I have to keep checking my watch, which is annoying) and it wasn't moving.

"What?!!", I said out loud, getting a this-guy-is-crazy look from my cat, Pete. I tried to click on my web browser but it had frozen too. My machine had died. Oh crap! I had to turn off the power (it wouldn't restart or shut down normally) and then power up again. I don't know why but when you're watching it, I'm sure windows takes longer to start up. My machine finally rebooted and then took an age to launch the firewall app and connect to the internet and finally launch the trading software. I got back into the market and I was not in a great position. The price had dropped 6 or 7 ticks and my trade was open. I could leave it open and hope it would come back but I have preached on about not doing that, so I got out, took the hit and started to try to build it back. Luckily, the price was perfect for scalping, staying between two prices with a constant influx of money at both ends, back and lay. I just kept joining the queue and gaining ticks back.

Now, here's where I took a bit of a chance. The time had nearly ran out and I was still down, but not by too much. The race suspended and went in-play. Recently, I have sometimes been waiting till in-play to green up. If I think the price has been raised artificially high by trading happening in the last 2 minutes, I may hold off greening up and watch in-play to see how the prices are moving. If they are moving down steadilly then I will let them ride for a minute, if they are fluctuating then I'll try to get out quicker but hopefully at a better price. I decided not to leave it without greening up after I left what looked like a definite winner that then got beaten in the last seconds, leaving me with nothing for my efforts. Okay, it means I will get potentially less but it means I consistantly get something. I prefer to see my bank steadily rising, day by day.

Well, that was quite long winded to get to my final point, which is about risk. I know in-play is risky and in order to get out with a small profit yesterday, I didn't just wait to green-up in-play, I also did some scalping, taking advantage of the gap between back and lay. To keep my risk low, I used a lot smaller stakes and got in and out as quickly as I could. i ended up in the green but in-play also cost me about 20% of my bank recently when I made a careless mistake a few days ago. So, is the risk worth the reward? Do many of you guys trade horse in-play? Do you use the same stakes? How do you manage risk or do you just fly by the seat of your pants?

Monday, 6 August 2007

Status Report

I've found that my recent trading has got much better. I am using a combination of graphs and the ladder trading interface in Bet Trader Pro. I switch to the grid view and check on the graph of the favourite and 2nd favourite and look at the prices of all the runners and using this I get a good idea about the price movement. I back or lay and decide where I will get out if the market moves against me. I then monitor the price and keep checking back to the graphs to see if the situation looks like it has changed. This has worked quite well so far. The only loss I had was due to Bet Trader Pro crashing before I closed a trade. It could have just been one of those things, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I have noticed that this version of the software can freeze every so often if you change between grid and ladder interface regularly (which I do). It's either a teething problem of the new version or its down to my machine. I don't know.

I havn't had much time with Bet Angel Pro yet, as I'm just getting used to Bet Trader Pro, but I will get onto it.

As far as developing my own charting application, I have found a graphing component that does what I need and just need a bit of time to do some development work.

If you have read my special report (available from How to Stop Losing), then you will know I am putting a DVD together. All is moving forward there. We're busy getting the script together and everything is moving forward nicely.

Friday, 3 August 2007

New Version of Bet Trader Pro

I fired up Bet Trader Pro today and it asked me if I wanted to download the latest version, so I did. It has been given a complete facelift and there have been some new features added. They are all listed here

There are some nice ones. Something that I wanted, when I first used the previous version, was the ability to quickly set stop losses and that is now in the new version. Have a look and see what you think.

Thursday, 26 July 2007

More thoughts on Bet Trader Pro software

I've been using Bet Trader Pro some more. I must admit, now I'm getting used to using a different interface, it is proving itself to be better than what I was previously using (initially Bet Angel Basic, the Betfair Direct and the Bet IE). With Bet Trader Pro you get to see all the prices across all the runners on one screen and using the ladder interface makes place trades on easily. The best bit is the speed that it fetches and displays the prices. You can see when the price is going to move, as it flickers between the one above or below. I havn't used many of the trading tools but I didn't initially like the way they were set up and have left looking at them till later. So far it is well worth the try. I am currently using the free trial minutes but would have to consider whether the current fee is good enough value. I'll see how I go.

Tuesday, 24 July 2007

How does Bet Trader Pro measure up?

I downloaded Bet Trader Pro on Sunday and gave it a try out tonight. What did I think of it? Well, one thing I can say is that it is fast. I had been using Bet IE recently and Bet Trader Pro leaves it standing speedwise. I was wondering how I kept missing so many market moves and now I can see. Running Bet IE and Bet Trader Pro side by side and you can see the numbers whizzing by and the price moving so much quicker on BTP. I'm not quite used to the interface and the tools on BTP yet and was reluctant to make many trades, but the two I did were matched. I didn't like the BTP stop loss feature very much as, unless I misunderstood how to use it, it seemed a bit slow to set. I would have liked to be able to preset my stop loss tick size and whether it is trailing or not and for it to be enabled with a checkbox when placing a trade. I guess I'm just lazy. I'll feedback more, when I've had more time to use it.